This is different to my other idea on here which is business cloud.

Business cloud is about writing code that runs a business.

This idea is about writing a formalization of a business that can be used to describe any business and how it makes money.

I guess you have to begin with where the money comes from (customers) so describing the customers is a must. In JIT business Then you must describe what is done with that money (suppliers consulted) and stock purchased then an invoice is raised and so on.

// You describe that you like cafes.

Ok, that's getting more involved, and considering the data privacy problems to do it while preserving everyone's rights is not a trivial market and AI recommendation task, but obviously, can be done with simple questionnaires, with some homomorphic encryption.

How would it work? I suggest it be used to build a new city:

Put all the housing lots, office lots into a big algorithm for placing people and give people locations that are within 10 minutes away from work office lots. Everybody should get a good position.

The idea of planning people's residences to create serendipity is an interesting one.

You describe that you like cafes.

The algorithm will try place a cafe that is between you and your friend's location so you can meet at that cafe.

So, how would it work? Like groupon, but .... "transferon"? Is it more for coworkers, or for friends? Say, I subscribe to this relocation service, tell about my work and home location, and select a few "dream locations to live" (call it a "base"), and invite my friends do it too, then, do we see options to move, or some kind of long term plan sketches for everyone?

Query planners in database work out how to efficiently execute queries based on how many rows there are and the indexes that need to be consulted. App plans work out how to efficiently work out how to implement apps.

The app planner will consider the following things when retrieving data:

• data that needs to be retrieved to show the interface
• how to structure the queries made to the server - send the query or send a query name?
• transformations of the data before displaying.

How to generate a UI from a data structure:

The database might store the data as a tree, graph or matrix. How to surface this information in a user understandable way? The app planner will use some heuristics to generate UIs with tabs, and lists and rich rendering of items. A bit like django admin screens.

The planner should capture various skills into a computable expert system such as accessibility requirements, create efficient repeatable tasks.

Call them APP PLANS.

App plans contains a list of UI screens.....and the fields of data that is displayed or modifiable on the screen.

App plans also specify the backend integration API to be used with the data that is on the screen. So there would be a call API. and the call API takes a numeric field as input which is the phone number, you can wire up the call API with the field on the screen

Apps should be distilled to query plans. There is a query plan that represents all the queries that an app makes and the relative frequency of each type of query.

People could design all the interactions of an app -- all the screens that show data or allow data to be modified. Then the query planner can generate an efficient app, down to the individual queries used to the layout of data.

Let's let computers layout data for us.

[carolina_carvalho], welcome to site~! ^_^ You can open the flashcards created using Anki: https://apps.ankiweb.net. ;)

I love this! Want to collaborate, still doing a lot of reading on the Earth Language website, because I just discovered it today. Quick question, what should I use to open the flashcards (this format is entirely new to me as well)?

I welcome the idea of greater abstraction, and functionality first mindset, as well as having entire smart phone as a database is nice. I'm sure the current Android APIs already allow something approaching that, but (perhaps) not as simply as querying a database.

Basically, what you want is the transparency of apps with the OS owner identity up to the private methods and storage of the apps, but not with other apps without explicit permission, and not other identities (like that of vendor, who may have installed the OS).

I'm having an idea in the making... "Debt Document" :) Just linked it here. A lot of times people agree to help for relatively symbolic price (for example, a startup hiring employees, and then not sharing the "lion's share" of it with them), without strings attached. It is not fair indeed.

Well, a definition is useful from the mathematical point of view, is if it provides an equivalence class, in other words, if it provides necessary conditions and sufficient conditions for something to be "it".

Sufficient conditions question: "What do we need to see in it that we would consider it to be 'life'?"

Necessary conditions question: "What are all the things that we can remove from it, so that we still consider it to be 'life', yet removing anything else from it would make it considered not to be 'life'?"

The intersection of sufficient conditions and necessary conditions usually is the defining characteristics, that are essential. So, I'd suggest seeking for them and when looking at someone's characteristics, trying to figure out what are these sufficient and necessary conditions.

Some say that entire Universe had become alive because of us, and we are its eyes. I think this is over-holistification, with some pratical utility (for example, in defining existential risk), but otherwise with little explanatory power to explain what makes 'life' be 'alive'.

One of point of views comes from a system thinker Fritjof Capra. He asks asks "What are the essential characteristics of life at the biological level? What are the defining characteristics of living systems?" and then he points to cells (membrane + metabolism) and Networks and Self-Generation (within a boundary of its own making) as the basic pattern of organization of all living systems."

Hmm.

It seems to me that there may be a variety of Life definitions based on the point of view.

Are we looking from a biological point of view? Physics? Math? Economical point of view? Philosophical? Spiritual dimension?

I'm curious to discuss all such points of views here in this thread.

"Definition of life is based on processes and storing information within physical subtrates." ~ C. Adami

Based on C. Adami video you shared, which is about "life" in the context of technology, I wonder how our relationship to technology change if we see it "alive"? Perhaps we would be more intentional.

I got overview of how Kickstarter works from a friend, so sharing here:

" Having an Audience. Kickstarter is a compressed activity that creates intensity. Kickstarter works the best if a campaign is run for 30 days. How it works is: usually there's a peak at the beginning when loads of people jump in, then a drop in the middle and a peak again at the end of the campaign. (You can lower that middle drop by contacting media outside of Kickstarter.) The first backers ("ambassadors") are essential, because if a campaign is reaching its funding targets fast, Kickstarter's algorithm will promote it as a "featured project" on their platform, and thus more of Kickstarter's audience will see the project. Kickstarter pushes you up based on % of your goal raised."

" Networking. Approaching various groups of people that could be somehow related to your project is essential, so that you find the backers and reach your funding goals. It's like a 3-4 months preparation, interacting with various groups about a shared interest before the campaign."

" Promo Materials. Launch page on Kickstarter is essential. It has to have video, graphics, enough of samples of your work [comics in my case]. What are people investing in? Also a good idea is to release stuff like graphics during the campaign to keep the fans engaged and to encourage them to share on social media."

" Timelines. If you aim to launch on X day, bear in mind that Kickstarter will take 7 days to review your campaign."

" Terms. Kickstarter won't give you the money you raised, if you don't reach your goal. Indiegogo has a different setup."

" Budget. Setting calculated funding goals is key. Because if you fundraise for less than you need to produce and print the book, and if your Kickstarter campaign succeeds, you will have to still produce the work and ship it to backers, and so cover the additional costs yourself. Into budget, you should include printing, but also payments for illustrators and yourself, intellectual property costs. [What if I go creative commons route?] You can have some downloadable graphics for free and then a paid version of the full book."

" Packages. How are you going to offer different options for backing your project? You can have options like a book plus a poster, a chat with the creator and signed book, an early bird price, limited edition, -20% off the final product, and so on. Get creative there."

" Benefactors. Who else could promote your book? Would it suit sustainability organisations as a resource? Museums? Schools? Science educators? To make your Kickstarter successful, can you find one donor that would come at the end of the campaign and back your project with the missing amount, so that you campaign achieves its targets?"

" Manufacturing. Are you going to self-publish? (Pay a printing company to print say 3000 copies of your book?) Or will you use just-in-time publishing? (print on demand based on each order you get) Having a publisher is tricky. How do you prove to a publisher that they will want to publish and market your book? If it's your first book, they will likely would like to see that you got some books sold on your own before you approach them."

" Alternatives. You can also run a crowdfunding campaign on your website, with a set target for orders that you need to use a printing company. When you reach x orders, you will provide an estimate of delivery for your backers."

[My reaction is like "Oh, LOL."]

I kinda wish to have:

1. Wishlists for projects (that work like backlogs), where people could write the things they'd like to do. Challenges feature is great for sprints and questions, but not that well for writing out things that we're planning to do, or features that we wish to do. That could be realized via "Results" model that already exists, just adding extra property.
2. Custom URLs for topics (so we could give unique URLs to items, including user profiles under username).
3. Multi-master PostgreSQL synchronization between regional sites, with user's own choice what to share to other nodes.

Feature requests for Projects level:

• somehow showcasing results that have "video demos" attached. I'd watch those published by other users for sure for inspiration across disciplines.

Question: When adding a question, and wanting to select some existing questions as parents or children, how to know if a Question is a parent or a child?

Feature requests for adding a Question or Idea:

• a button that communicates a social interaction request between 0oo users (an invite to "be my mirror! help me formulate my question or idea”). this button would help users like me, who love synthesising their thoughts through voice (when talking to someone) and only then writing down a clear description of the question or idea.

// Balancing Lower-Level System for Cascading Effects in Higher Levels //

Do you mean -- "Bottom-Up" world view -- "To achieve well-being in the higher levels of organization, first balance the lower level of organization?" I guess this idea has been part of Confucian philosophy: i.e., start from yourself, then "the family, the school, the local community, the state, and the kingdom".

I see that you are trying to combining this "bottom-up" world view with the "Living Systems Principles", assuming that they universally make living systems "happy" or harmonious at arbitrary level of organization. So, what are the rest of the principles of "Living Systems" that you had left with the "..." mark, as it seems to be the core of specifics and novelty of this idea (as the "bottom-up" as principle itself is well-known).

Finally, assuming that bacteria are the level of organization that one cares about, how would one apply the principles of "Autopoiesis" and "Synergy" and "Fractals" to make that level be "well" (that would result in the improvement in the levels above)?

Could this idea be summarized as -- "Take the principles of Living Systems, and apply them at the base level of life, and by induction, get the condition of macroscopic and higher order life improve?" Btw., when thinking of well-being of things like bacteria, don't think of them as some kind of benevolent agents, they are varied as personalities, there are species like the necrotizing fasciitis ("piranha bacteria"), that one would not to get near our systems, or, for example mosquitos. We may think we want to be good for everything, but things have to be in the right places at the right times for systems to achieve harmony.

Christopher Adami has given this definition of life: "Life is a property of an ensemble of units that share information coded in a physical substrate and which, in the presence of noise, manages to keep its entropy significantly lower than the maximal entropy of the ensemble, on timescales exceeding the "natural" timescale of the decay of the (information-bearing) substrate by many orders of magnitude.". I think it is a rather precise and pragmatic definition of life, worth looking deeper into it, and understanding every the meaning of every word in it. Here is a simulation of life, illustrating the definition: demo.

In the context of a river as the flow of liquid over crevices per se, it is not alive by itself, because its "natural decay" (⇡) is not significantly (not many orders of magnitude ⇡) dependent on it exchanging information with other units. We don't call "Silk Road" alive, just because people use it to move goods through it, and it affects the ecosystem, however, the "Silk Road" (as pathway) may be playing an important role in making something alive, like the Sun (as energy source) does.

[sev], idealistically, yes, that would perhaps be the idea -- a door for something -- "a unique chain of memories?" to walk between these mediums? I have to say, having been through general anesthesia once, I had an "Aha Moment" -- thinking -- "So that's what cryonics should ideally feel like! However, I do feel a bit out of phase: it felt instantaneous -- as if I didn't lose any time, although the surgery took more than an hour: what a weird thing, am I still me with this memory discontinuity?" :) So, I think it is probably the closest to perfect, that the future of cryonics should be able to get to.

If the "unique chain of memories" is what defines one's identity, then I could theoretically imagine that another processing unit, like a brain-CPU, could take on a little journey to derive its further actions from that "unique chain of memories" to append new memories based on those new actions, then suspend that, and write new memories back to my biological brain, and let me resume.

To realize this ideal at this level of mind uploading would require that "brain-CPU" be memories-compliant: i.e., allowing itself be controlled by "unique chain of memories" that defines me, and be neutral and unbiased otherwise.

However, what if what defines me to be me is not "unique chain of memories?" -- but rather, a pseudorandom process coded in the totality of components that make up the brain that, even with a very small epsilon of deviation, chaos-theoretically significantly diverges in the actions it produces diverges from the original? (i.e., it is not IIMT-x-equivalent)

The (identity preserving) way I would like to be mind uploaded goes as follows:

Assume we have read/write access to the brain. First my mental state is read. I am then anesthetized. Then my mental state gets booted up in a digital medium. In there I have access to a camera so I can see myself sleep. I then do some first steps in the digital space so i gather some more new memories. With these experiences my digital self goes to sleep and that mind state gets written to my biological mind and booted up again. I now had a continuous experience of going into the digital space and going out of it. I now can repeat that process as often as I like to get comfortable. At some point I might decide to stay in the digital. Or at least when my body is about to break down it is a very calm and familiar experience that preserves my identity and does not resemble death at all.

// £0 food, £0 medicine, £0 transportation

Bicycles and elevators (lifts) are close to £0 transportation. The other things may take a while.

// whereby everybody who you need to interact with is automatically placed into your life //

But how would one know, who one need to interact with in life? I had one similar idea: One City.

£0 food, £0 medicine, £0 transportation

Will never happen. But I'm open for ideas that make commodities of food, medicine and transportation.

Secretly think transportation is a waste of human effort and people should just live in well managed communities whereby everybody who you need to interact with is automatically placed into your life.

N-way testing of the homepage: the homepage of 0oo is currently appearing just one way, however, by changing the top category, like 0oo.li/?cat=971, it can appear completely differently. So, in actuality, if we knew a little bit more about the person visiting, like what search engine keyword they had entered, we could display a different topic version of 0oo on the first visit. And, after all those categories can work a bit like different reddit sites, except, it would actually display the important questions, ideas and projects(companies) in each broader subject domain... and that is so easy -- just passing category ID, e.g., Cyberspace: 0oo.li/?cat=1366.

We could make markdown-only export, or even -- live .md copies on Syncthing -- so that anyone could open entire 0oo content as a knowledge graph on Markdown editors like Obsidian.md. I mean, we could generate something like this quite easily, as a feature of data export.

I was also thinking the other day, about having the content of 0oo live as GitHub repository pages first, not on a single repository, but on repositories of many people (the authors of topics) (so someone like [chronological], who likes to keep his ideas on his own GitHub repo, could edit it there).

One special thing here, we have multi-lingual markdown pages, that have special extra syntax, allowing to combine versions of multiple languages into a single page.

So, I think it would be good to add voice versions of topics and comments, so that someone could simply play entire 0oo stream. The mp3 files could be easily generated with GoogleTTS API, like an audio book. Considering that voice is quite popular, some people may want to listen the conversations here. It's fun that this would have to be done to the versions in all languages.

Additionally, we could add Speech-To-Text (like with otter.ai), so that someone could simply record a comment, and have it transcribed and translated to other languages, generating other language speech versions automatically.

Interesting question. Where does the money come from? For the music, the money comes from subscriptions and/or user data used to sell marketing. In the case of software is the same. I would speculate that these companies are exclusively selling advertising...

This is an obvious thing to do, but we don't do it, so what's preventing humans from having like a syslog of human body?

Now thinking about spells, what's common (about living systems) between sciences and spirituality?

Ownership features:

• Enable to add custom idea types "Preview" (of invention). This would be useful for inventors who are about to prototype an invention, patent it and bring it to market.

Financial features:

• "Donate" button within Project page to replicate Patreon functionality of allowing other users to donate money to each other.

• Allow preorders of products, so that as a maker I don't need to setup Kickstarter.

Community features:

• Button "Open for collaborations" in Question, Idea and Project levels, to encourage strangers to help each other, to create ideas and prototype together. (I create ideas through conversations/synthesis).

Must-Have homepage design:

Homepage that showcases a new behaviour HalfMakery is about (from research questions to a final product, so that inventors live on ideas).

Homepage for logged-in users showcases three columns:

• Questions, Ideas, Projects, Products in the middle column,
• User's P&L, My Projects, My Interests (meta-categories) on the left column,
• Latest Comments and Results (only title) on the right column,
• Top menu shows Questions, Ideas, Projects, Products; Languages; Logout.

This design is drawn here.

// Why creators don't feel coexistence (peace within)? What principles of Living Systems (spells) would help welcome a deep sense of coexistence into creators lives? //

So far, I think it's a "0oo Questioning" part missing in creator's lives: jumping into a project is not the same without deeply exploring one's motivation.

Also, without exploring the main idea of Living Systems such as -- human body is a system the same way as a bacteria is, as Earth is, as Universe is -- without such reflection, there's no sense of coherence (?), some sort of connection with all life which instantly gives meaning to one's live, because life simply is.

In the book, an example of this principle could be showcased as a scene of digging deeply into one's heart (a "story" exercise as mentioned in my previous book "Banana Break") and also some scene I did not discover yet that explains the idea of human as a system the same way as bacteria, Earth, Universe is.

That's what's on my mind now. This is not a finished thought yet, though.

Questions on my mind:

• How to showcase Chaos and Order as a spell?

• What real-life comic example would showcase Mind and Heart in sync?

I'm looking for a supplier and an engineering partner.

Mindey says that the main patterns are elements and sets.

Nobody should want to become commodity.

Commodity is good because it makes things cheap it just has a knock on effect of making people poor.

It's disintermediation. And it's harmful.

I like the idea of microtransactions to pay for the media we consume. I think that's what your idea is getting at.

// a subscript number be used on every sentence to make each sentence referenceable //

So, like hovering on the sentence would actually show that subscript? Btw., multi-lingualism complicates the matters, but it's definitely a great and important feature -- much better than hierarchical comments. After all, each comment can simultaneously be a response to multiple other comments -- it's like a network more than a tree.

// I wonder, if there are some ways to explore this idea together. My MUTANTU comics could link with your game! (Cross-disciplinary partnerships reveal the unexpected links!) //

While not my major project, not a project yet at all, but it's something that makes a lot of sense to me.

// Intestines, Heart, Brain //

Body has so many sub-systems, that it would make sense involving medical experts, and consider using biodigital.com API (yes, the human body navigator has got an "API"). Using its data, creating a 3D game would be much easier, just come up with plots and create. I've contacted people making the BioDigital, they are obviously interested in the uses of their data.

// going through a human body as a game world would be highly educational, that could result in kids gaining confidence in actually doing something about human bodies //

Love this! It's more than that. Gaining empathy towards the Earth starts with empathy towards one's Body.

I wonder, if there are some ways to explore this idea together. My MUTANTU comics could link with your game! (Cross-disciplinary partnerships reveal the unexpected links!)

I like the idea of a human body as a Maze. And each body part like a country with different heroes (organs and bacterias). It'd be cool to travel inside and outside the body (different parts of the skin).

I was thinking, first, to travel the main body parts like Intestines, Heart, Brain.

This train of thought says that the game of "Super Mario" is no different from the game of "Tetris", and no different from human body, and no different from a ball going through a doughnut -- all of them are about shapes going through a hole with obstacles or limitations:

• Super Mario has a shape (the Mario) that goes through valleys and tunnels, until it goes through ("Game Won").
• Tetris has got many "Marios" that fall ever faster, until they clog the hole ("Game Over")
• Human body -- kind of like both, but much more complex maze to go through, from matter ingestion to excretion.

Sure, some holes have loop-backs and all kind of complexities within, making the games more fun, worth playing...

As much as you may think this is an art, going through a human body as a game world would be highly (I mean it: highly) educational, that could result in kids gaining confidence in actually doing something about human bodies. For example, if the game had special extra tools, like what you collect a big mushroom in Super Mario Bros, giving extra powers to move through certain pathways, unclogging congested arteries, and letting grandmother see the world again without flickering eyesight, or getting a super gun, that allows to cut through, or fix certain pathways... That game could be so fun (and educational!) to play. But I should encourage moving to Shapeflow page with further comments, as this topic is more general it seems. ;)

// if we devise a game -- let's call it "Body" -- where this structure that you (as ingested substance (say, game player)) is travelling through, is a human body that is getting sick or clogged over time, and your target, as a substance, is to go successfully through that network of metabolic pathways. //

oh, love it! in my MUTANTU book, the readers comically explore the inside of the body, like blood vessels and intestines (where the action of my comics happens!) :)

I think, the idea of Shapeflow may have great explanatory power and potential for impact, especially, if we devise a game -- let's call it "Body" -- where this structure that you (as ingested substance (say, game player)) is travelling through, is a human body that is getting sick or clogged over time, and your target, as a substance, is to go successfully through that network of metabolic pathways. Kids (or maybe AlphaZeros) playing such games might devise many strategies that we do not know of... and, no cheating, dear AI -- with going through all the necessary parts, where you get extra points -- so, that you wouldn't suddenly convert the gamified human body into a topological doughnut.

I'm exploring Living Systems philosophy lately. So inspired by what makes all life connected like "Air" (we all breathe), "Water" (we are all made of water), "Energy", ... Mixing in breathing sounds would be cool!

Cymatics (how music/vibrations shape water) is fascinating too!

[justinmiyamoto], nice! Lets explore together.