Don't read random books that people give you, read books that build up a theme.

Heh, well, it does, in the sense that we measure value in "human hours", targeting for "time-well spent" as our community's KPI (here). However, trade happens not between "meters", but between actual objects and "ropes", in that sense, the "meter" is a bit of a neutral thing, so we don't do exchange on 0oo in "unit of measure" we do it in real currencies, but we express and display it in "h" (the meter" of all currencies. So, I'd say, you could say both "yes and no".

Does it relate to 0oo too? [Mindey]

What is useful for one and everyone?

Right, that makes sense, it's usually done through certain timed online activities, that would be easy by combining Zoom + Google calendar. However, I'd think it might be not fun if the number of people is too small. E.g., if just 3 people show up :) It would be more fun if there were say 8 people or so to start with, so, I'd think, well, plan it for the future. Good direction though.

In addition, I imagine there are different kinds of meetings: - (for goals & ideas) sorting and voting on them, helping discover new links (related works), and free talking - (for projects) there are people who might want to catch up periodically about their project progress, almost like startups, and consult each others.

One of the shortcomings of the Airtable-based calendars is that they do not show the details of the event, only name, when added to calendars, so I don't know how many people actually subscribed to them.

Alternative to Darwinism is L.Margulis work on Symbiosis and Cooperation as a driving force of evolution.

What if textbooks and culture that promote Darwinism as idea are wrong and is simply promoted by some thought collectives?

For curiosity, I recommend watching a movie on L.Margulis ideas which may spark alternative ideas :)

Idea for feature request:

• Invite friends for 1 hour real-time Infinity Challenge during which everyone posts interesting Questions/Ideas and comments to each other's posts on 0oo.li.

Having a time limit focuses everyone to think creatively and creates a bond between strangers fast.

I used to moderate live twitter chats for hundreds of strangers. Worked great!

You're right Ruta, there's value in every failed business venture.

"Freedom to Iterate" would inlude ups and downs. "Startups" try to adopt this mentality while iterating fast in the market already.

What would be interesting if "failed startups" would somehow share their stategies and project management for reuse by other startups, because not everything that they worked on was an error and even if it was it can spark ideas.

A post mortem on every failed business ever where people discover what caused them to fail.

We should have 0 failed business plans and 0 job losses (except for exceptional causes).

Society should be antifragile.

One can think of an institution to care about arbitrary little thing, for example, "Market Access" or "Subsidy". However, the very way of optimization that the Western world seem to have chosen, relies on evolving and screening for the winners, not nurturing and helping the losers to grow up. I think, it again comes from the Darwinian Optimization mentality, and to create that new mentality, we've got to think of the losers as the outliers, -- seeds with unusual potential -- because, the reasons why they are losers, perhaps, is because they are in the wrong soil, not because they are inherently unfit. With that thinking, something like an institution for "Nurture of Outliers" focused on mining untapped talent and perspectives may be invented.

Like, you come to a school, and tell what you want to do, then we vote on what to do, then we group by interest, then we work on it?

Another example of social darwinism that makes me sick is the idea that our jobs are now replaceable with foreign labour after COVID because if you can work from home that means someone can work remotely.

Related suggestions by Sal Khan (see link), but will the universities and schools of the world listen?

[marked-as-question]

This obviously doesn't suggest a solution, so not an idea. I'll have to make a function to convert types: ideas into for questions, ideas into proejcts, etc.

Social darwinism (or, as I called it Modern Jungle), and my conclusions were that the future is a society that codes itself:

"If we, as a mankind consciously define our goals, and pursue them, then that would not be market economy anymore. That would be planed economy, with carefully designed flexible, open and reasonable capital flow management system, informed by contribution-based and open risk management system, upon levels of hierarchies of variables, based on our needs that define them."

But a problem that I point out, is our mental limitations (mental health). So, I conclude that one way to enable the majority of people understand how society works as a whole, is to make the knowledge about how it makes everything, publicly accessible, and well-documented (a bit like in an IDE that helps you to drill down to any sub-procedure).

Another problem I pointed out, is algorithms and procedures being proprietary and non-transparent, and my worries that making them open may well may enable machines to self-replicate. I pointed out the monitoring systems as a possible precautionary measure. I could add, that cryptographic signing of operations with real human identities would also help to keep machines from taking over, so with that in mind, yeah, I think the "self-coding society" is a viable alternative to the "social darwinism".

I'll try to describe it as an idea and elaborate on it, as it may be possible to come up with more specifics.

An example is competing for food ala hunger games. Is it right? I find it disgusting.

I cannot compete to the same degree as others due to my illness, schizophrenia. This means I am stuck where I am in a lot of areas. (Closeness to doctors, hospitals) Had I been disabled in 1950s my life would be very different to today. Modern healthcare is far more ethical.

I want to compete and build a Linux desktop environment but I don't have the skills to do so. I struggle with learning new things due to my illness.

// So, "ad-idem" (or on ideas) would probably be the better approach. Again, it also heavily depends on how you formulate those questions.

If you read the idea again you get presented with ideas and you vote for or against them.

// People generally don't like to be judged

I think people enjoy doing quizzes and answering questions.

Television has to change. Programming is currently dumb or for the common denominator. Work takes up the majority of people's waking hours, so working hours have to change also. Perhaps to a four day working week. Then finally people have time and energy to create things.

This cannot be understated. Our time is limited, and unless we learn to make more of time (I mean, literally, working on extending life), we will run out of it. So, a vote for this.

Before I talked to any of my friends (comments above), I wrote a reflection on my blog straight after watching a movie.

Now I realise that any topic can be interpreted in many ways: I have quite different points on my individual reflection and feedback from my friends. That makes me think that thinking individually and collectively are both important.

// “Albert Einstein refused to believe in a dice-playing deity. He wrote a letter to Max Born in which he said, ‘You believe in a God who plays dice and I in complete law and order.’ So, he obviously felt that chance and deterministic laws were not compatible. He preferred the deterministic laws. Now, what the Mandelbrot set and chaos and related things have done for us is to show that you can have both at the same time. It is not whether God plays dice that matters. It is how God plays dice.” — Prof. Ian Stewart (46:00) //

• Curious about randomness and order. What can we learn from Fractals to have more fluidity in our human lives and as society?

I asked Mansoor yesterday "how our projects can be fractal?" His answer was that it's project-specific. But a general idea is: "Elements can sync together to create a whole greater than its parts".

We had a fantastic exploration with Struppi! We played with spheres and vectors as magnets, and how they connect with one another into stable structures.

Notes:

• 2 as a minimum system ("you cannot know thyself without the other")

• Spheres as inside/outside/boundary ("no boundary between a human and nature because we're a shared air")

• Life having many forms (polyforms)

• Polycentric structure ("everyone can be a center of the Universe")

• Triangle as a balanced relationship (example of tiny spheres as a cube and as a tetra)..

We plan to continue exploring and go further: take general principles of synergetics and imagine practical examples of how would our world look like if tetrahedron is the basic structure vs cube (how would a city look like? a community? and so on)

I would like to see a "Person Count" on labels for products.

That's how many people benefit by you buying that product, the number of people that were involved in producing the product.

You could also track water usage, electricity usage and put that on the label.

Heh, that is so related to the idea of consumer price breakdown requirement. It may be unfair that someone with a machine who can produce millions of items of same quality goes to the same market to compete with handmade items, and people buying them without knowing the human-time estimate. If this human-time estimate were to be included into labels, like an ingredient (ingredients are often legally required to be included), then people would start realizing and adjusting certain social inequalities, like product pricing.

So the service is not abused, I suspect there should be a limit on how many hours you can send your child to the government funded childcare.

This is derived from the minimum number of hours for time with family that constitutes a happy family life. it could be something like happy families work best when the children spend at least 3 hours a day excluding sleep at home.

Regarding comment likes/dislikes, do we want to be able to see, who liked/disliked? :) I think yes, because people care to know who read them, without explicit replies.

Or, better, make read-receipts, so that anyone can optionally just add a "tick", to indicate they had read, leaving the likes to be for evaluation rather than read-receipt indication.

// "Dream=World(Actions)" at the top.. //

Yeah, and good visually! Totally makes sense. It's a to-do. ;)

I added a challenge: How can homepage encourage new users to see what the platform is for? (Feedback from 6 people about them feeling overloaded). How can Dream=World(Actions) aka Y=F(X) be more obvious for newbies?

Suggestion: On homepage, add "Dream=World(Actions)" instead of "FEEDS Items created in last 7 days are in bold." to communicate the purpose of the platform. See this photo of what I mean

Cheapest I can remember, is that that paper microscope. I think those were invented for detecting malaria. On the ones suitable for the said "photosession", I'd recommend to think of collaboration with a university, they've got equipment, and rent microscope time, as good scopes ain't cheap, unless you want to play with toys for kids (e.g., [1], [2]).

Great to see likes on comments feature realised! I wonder, does it make sense to transform "-" into "?". This way "+" means agreement and "?" means a request to clarify a comment. This way it's more constructive and encourages commentators to continue discussion rather than disagreeing which ends the discussion.

// Get a microscope, and get 'em into a photo-session? //

Love this idea, [Mindey]! I was actually dreaming about it (microscope) for some time now lol. Any recommendations on cheap good ones? :)

I'm thinking about producing the book as musicians do singles and then the album. So, each chapter would be like a living system itself and have a different illustrator, and together all illustrators with me form a "MUTANTU tribe", this way showing that systems are all about interactions and nothing exists in vacuum.

(Also I got a suggestion to run a Kickstarter campaign for that)

// How can I showcase Bacterias //

Get a microscope, and get 'em into a photo-session?

I presented my scenes (on Airtable) for six people at Living Systems Collaboratory. Some of the feedback was on "How can I showcase Bacterias as (a living system) living harmoniously within a Human and Human (as a living system) living harmoniously within Earth?"

// ¿¿Cómo puedo hacer crecer mi comunidad sin usar Instagram?? //

Hey [malü], I have some thoughts on your Challenge!

So the Q is how to connect with new people without social media for a business? Well you could go back to basics like parties and introductions. You'd need some ways of entertaining people (where is the party? and when? for who?)

Your website (blog) with interviews with thought leaders and online events about topic X could be that central place where the party is happening (where people can leave comments, connect to others).

So next Q is how to invite people to the party? Everytime you have a new interview/event. First asking 1:1 until you build up your ecosystem (newsletter list)

Terms you may want to explore are influencers, SEO link building, inbound marketing

Value of a country is connected to how safe a country is for capital.

That's wrong. Most people don't have capital.

I think a large amount of financial engineering is fraudulent. Just look at tax avoidance.

But what's rotten in demark is the currency itself. Fiat currency is fraudulent by its nature.

I think it's wrong that a country's worth can be diluted internationally by a financial cabal.

Bitcoin is no solution. The bitcoin lords are fiefdoms of another nature, speculative jackals.

Curious, so what is regeneration? I wonder, how is creativity not-regenerative at the moment?

Welcome [malü] to 0oo! So cool to showcase our SAME project here. I see you added some other deep questions too. Cool :) Lets explore!

// How do Weirdo Creative Futurist Dreamers come and join those events?

Well, events obviously need calendar links, that we could display alongside them. :)

Great, love it! So how do Weirdo Creative Futurist Dreamers come and join those events?

// Maybe you need to adjust the inner ear semicircular canals first?

Well, just use X-BOW ship design (video). It helps with rough seas. Then, weather forecast to navigate around stormy weather. Modern ships tend to have multiple sets of ship stabilizers, so that it's generally not an issue. For the case of rough seas, there's always anti-motion sickness glasses. ;)

So, I think this generally is not an issue. What may be an issue, is the amount of steel needed, compared to traditional buildings, and the overall cost performance and overall cost-benefit analysis from the perspective of the passengers. For example, it may be useful for people who want to live with friends of diverse nationalities without worrying about visa requirements, but some may worry about the availability of services comparable to those found on land: some may care about the health security, others may worry about the entertainment options. Such ship has to compete with a developed city district, which adds to the cost, and means that the ship needs to be really big to achieve the economies of scale for certain more expensive equipment that city districts enjoy.

Perhaps multiple ships could join to form something like the fictional "Atlantis", helping realize the dream of "Oceania".

:) I thought, regarding events, we have a place for events :) https://0oo.li/events . I'm thinking, we could use it. The Lifeboat Foundation uses its "what's new" "( https://lifeboat.com/ex/whats.new ), where they share various news they find and relevant to their audience. We could do too. Then link those events with Questions / Ideas / Projects, the readers of which may find it interesting to participate in them. E.g., if we have a topic on Finance, finance discussion events may be auto-linked, if it is something about art, then art exploration meetings could be connected, etc.