[Mindey] Thanks for taking a look! I have a goal which is here: https://infty.xyz/#/en/@/topic/96

The hope I had here was to create several different ideas for tracking personal energy.

We might also, for example, track personal energy using 1. heart rate variation (using an H7) 2. reaction speed (using e.g. tetris scores)

Neither of these would be as unobtrusive as the eye reader.

The goal here is to track the personal energy, which can be used for many purposes (for example to try diets or find good music). I still think this structure is good. Maybe you can suggest some specific changes to make it more fitting?

As far as names I would probably call it infty-eye-tracker or z-eye-tracker or something else very simple (maybe eye-energy?) because naming is very time consuming :)

I think there is some reason to think it can be done on a smartphone which would be best because they are pretty cheap and have good docks available.

So, this tracker would measure my blinking rate? How would you call it? Would you want to start a project based on this idea, called something like a BallTracker[TM], or something even more kicky? :)

Looks useful :) However, an Idea is, as denoted in idea creation form is a Goal-less principle or invention. An Idea on Infinity is not a business idea -- not something to be worked, on, but something to be discussed about.

If you want to write something to be worked on, a Plan may be a better content item to go with :)

[Eimantas] Hi, welcome to try out our updated site ;) Btw., how it is going with Crrency?

[ruta], for writing the analysis scripts and keeping the analysis results on your own hard drives ;)

[Mindey], what purpose would you use it for? there are various tools for social media analytics/social listening that allow to see feeds, searches by keywords from multiple accounts in one place.

https://hootsuite.com/ is the most popular one.

Decided to try it with Drupal first, because Drupal alrady has all the needed functionality. E.g., multilingual interface, multilingual translations, easy addition of mathjax, etc. So, just install it, and see how it works for people to discuss math papers from MIRI and elsewhere.

Just for a reference: https://www.drupal.org/developing/api/8/render/pipeline

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[Mindey] sure, do

Makes sense, but I have one problem with this, -- how do we define 'safely'? Who and how decides about the 'safely' component? Different countries of the world have their own definition of what is safe.

Obviously, safety is what ascertains achievement of goals. Without knowing goals, we have no practical definition of safety.

[ruta], what about inviting the members of OpenAI to talk here about their plan? I think to do so, a bit later on, when I have a video about description of our rationale.

Is this description okay? :) Not sure yet. Seems like Stephen Wolfram thought of something like this.

Now we have the essential features: 1) knowledge framework, 2) true multilinguality, 3) credit system.

Perhaps could use the connection, similar to which is used for the airplane mid-air refueling.

[ruta], [shamkir], seems like this approach has found its way -- in the news The FDA Just Approved One Cancer-Killing Virus. Expect More. :) I think, if a project is already existing, it would be nice to link it and make a virtual project (e.g., extra field .is_link (e.g., plan.is_link = True))... Wrote to possible tasks :)

To start a milestone, use link +New Step.

Oh yeah, it's just as mentioned make learning not a chore, make it as a computer game.

[paulmwatson], when we are writing ideas in public, we expect something new, see our guidelines on help:

// Ideas [Solutions] - think like a halfbaker, nothing is impossible! Be speculative! //

The ideas section is for innovation around problems.

Yes, codes of conduct can be a solution mitigating intercultural misunderstanding (and thus, facilitating diversity), though they are widely known to exist, so, it's not a conceptually new thing.

[paulmwatson], good idea. Who should determine the community guidelines though, a community leader or community itself?

The deeper problem of why communities need code of conducts is a lack of empathy, understanding of communication among people and a lack of critical thinking skills. People acquire all of this.. by interacting with other people.

[Cabria], does this look like 'Busker'?

A technical executive: "You have a tool to solve problems... What problems?"

"Any. Personal or global. Personal, let's say you want to quit your job and start your own business. You'll spend days, weeks, months, sometimes years talking to your friends and family about your problem, but quite often you won't do anything about it and stay where you are -- at the problem mode. The same applies for global problems. Let's say you are annoyed by seeing rubbish on the street. You keep complaining to your friends, but don't do anything to improve situation. With Infinity, you get a structure to move away from the problem and take action to get what you want," I said.

An accountant professional: "So, how does it work? You have a problem, then think about a solution, project, milestones and tasks, you say. With our business, the hardest thing is implementation."

"I agree, what people usually lack is resources - human capital, financial capital or knowledge. People with skills, know-how or money. On a daily basis it can be hard to find the right people. Let's say I want to make education better, so I want to connect with teachers. How do I find them? I need to go to schools, look for online forums. It takes time to make friends. It's easier with our platform, you already have all the people, together, in one place. I don't need to look for people myself, content is what connects us. I don't need to look for teachers because teachers are there talking about problems they care about," I said.

An accountant professional: "I have lots of problems. Can I try? Some for my business, some personal ones. My family member has a disability so we have to approach problems differently."

"I agree, that's why conversation is important. We focus on comment based problem solving," I said.

A business executive: "My true passion is food. I used to make shoes for vegans and vegetarians. I used to use plastic type of leather for shoe making. Now, no ones knows how to make shoes anymore!"

"You know, our goal is to collect procedural knowledge on how things were made. Next time you want to open a shoe factory, you can do so, because you know how people did it in the past," I said.

A designer: "Schools would be most suitable IMO. It would teach young people to communicate with each other and express their thoughts."

This book could have a mobile app with Augmented Reality functionality. Similar to this.

Or, connected Virtual Reality app, where people could actually "experience" new professions.

[Justin], you have Muse. What's your opinion on current EEG trackers?

[ruta], this is an interesting thought! What materials would it be made from?

Perhaps the first step is to make things like muse itself transparent.

Hey [Cabria], do you have any thoughts on how to ensure that such an EEG tracker provides accurate data on brain health?

[ruta], very good observation. Indeed, selections during the reading could be used as data source, and a browser plugin could be made to collect that information on all websites you visit. Statistical models could be constructed to filter that information, but it would be much more accurate to have eyeball trackers, like the mentioned (tobii).

[Mindey], if we think about how people read online, we'll see that many of us highlight text while reading. My assumption is, when we highlight text, we reflect on what we are reading. I use various web clippers to save content for later (i.e Evernote). I also use Rescuetime to track my web browsing behaviour. Maybe there are simpler ways to solve this problem instead of tracking eye balls?

Unfortunately, meetup.com, forums and Facebook groups wouldn't work so well in Ukraine, because not so many people have computers and internet connection, and even fewer have smartphones. This is why a public forum is a better option, because it will make people turn up there physically. In Ukraine, real world communities work better than online ones. Online forums and Facebook groups are not really taken seriously, even by some young people.

Communist Party of Ukraine exists because people participate in it in real life rather than on the internet, even though it's by far not the best community. Being a part of something physically rather than virtually means a lot to people of Ukraine.

After all, I lived in Ukraine myself, and I visit it every summer.

[Yuri-B], I agree with an idea that the person's wealth depends on its network. These days we have meetup.com, forums and Facebook groups where people can meet. Isn't it enough to get people connecting locally?

[Mindey], okay, this makes sense! I see your point on the educational value. The purpose of the platform is problem solving indeed, rather than ideation. We should take time before posting problems and ideas then.

[Mindey] [ruta] This solution has multiple dimensions : 1.) People will have a space to connect with other people, who are outside their circle of friends. Basically, enable them to form "weak connections", as mentioned in this article : https://medium.com/@vernonluke/how-your-network-could-be-killing-your-career-prospects-5817b7d650a4. This will improve their chances of getting jobs that they may not be aware of.

2.) When the subject of economic opportunities will be discussed at a community level inside those initiatives, rather than individual person's level, there will be a sense of leadership and better division of labour. Then people who will participate in those initiatives will have better chances of earning more money, and will eventually figure out how to leverage communities in order to build up wealth.

The real problem is not only peoples' mentality, but a lack of leadership that steers them towards building up wealth. Ukrainian government doesn't really know how to lead people towards generation of wealth, so something has to fill that void.

On point -- people will not be able to share their know-how openly as long as they are paid by companies with intellectual property hiding policies.

The idea of financial think-tank includes the rationale, that if we enable people to directly get paid in society, without intermediaries like companies, -- the society gets the know-how!

[ruta], so you want a full-fledged hierarchical network? Well, sub-problems are easy to create by creating a foreign key to the problem itself. Just like we currently have with sub-works. However, this kind of structure would make the person who tries to understand the creation of something -- much harder work. Ideally, we want the problem solvers to do the work of breaking down the problem into sub-problems (e.g., milestones) that are exactly necessary and sufficient to solve the problem. This will make the structure clear and understandable for future learners.

If the future learner will have to go through complex mazes of the thinking of original creator, it will make the learner's life harder...

[Cabria], can we name this project to something like "Global Business Startup Guides Compendium Project" or something shorter? :)

[ruta], heatmaps are only a way to display the click density,... Your problem is to collect data points about the eyeballs first, and infer the actual words and topics read from that data, - the mouse pointer data, and other data.

good idea, which certainly is doable. So many statisticians, computer scientists and data scientists working on computer vision. What you need, is a higher resolution cameras on computers, or existing solutions (tobii) to use your eyeballs as mouse.

[Mindey], how about heatmaps, to get the data on how I interact with the page?

[Cabria], :) When I was going through that stuff myself, it was a pain! And usually these topics (company registration and taxes, etc.) are not covered at startup accelerators. Everyone and anyone needs more clarity on that.

_> Maybe we could make tags like [idea-here] for indexing little ideas. _

[Mindey], good idea.

In situations when we start with one problem and through a conversation we realise that the problem is not the route problem, it'd be nice to have an option to click a button and create a sub-problem. Same for ideas. When one problem/idea sparks sub-problems and ideas, what functionality do we need to allow users to organise them?

When we have conversations which are off-topic to a particular page (just like our chat about features is off topic to an idea of a book), do we need functionality to allow users to move off-topic conversations to a different page? Which page?

[ruta] yes! Exactly! You get it now :) That stuff, yes, and then the country specific things as well - how those things change according to where in the world you're based/basing.

> it's for people who are actually setting up real businesses and need to find information quickly, easily and in a manner that makes it easy to understand

[Cabria], ah, got it! Yes, the first thing I had in mind was about how to set a startup business which is focused on a web-based product. That's a different problem and idea indeed.

I agree, there's a massive pain point around understanding how to register a company, write a biz plan, find an accountant, register for taxes, get some funding, and other things that anyone who's turning their project into an actual company [in any country], needs to do!

[Cabria],

_> information on setting up a business in Ireland - the types of business, how to incorporate, some information on tax and VAT and a bit of information on case studies, perhaps. _

This info would be very handy. Are you thinking of getting some information from citizens information website and LEOs, but providing it in a more understandable format? Finding info on tax and VAT is complicated. It'd be great to get more clarity on all that in one place.

In terms of actual website building, I used Squarespace for my website (as I was bored with Wordpress). I got a domain from Godaddy.com. Or, we can invite some friends who can help out with Bootstrap.

So you're saying [Mindey] that in time, infinity will allow businesses to have their own customisable profiles on this, complete with integrated accounting, taxation, digital marketing, simulation labs and other services, all in each business profile and in a sort of gamer style, with graduated levels for the stage each business is at? Cool. Can't wait!

[ruta] what do you think, as a start?

[ruta] Thanks. I'm glad you like the idea.

Yeah, it could be used by students as well. But really it's for people who are actually setting up real businesses and need to find information quickly, easily and in a manner that makes it easy to understand. Sure, some students will also be actually setting up real businesses but I wouldn't over-focus on this. Maybe there could be another goal focused on how to bring practical entrepreneurial / business opportunity and learning to students. Suggest new 'Goal'/'Problem' on Infinity for this. (We can share hyperequity - I'll take less as it's more your interest.)

I wouldn't limit it to online either. That seems pointless, as things work a little differently when run entirely online. Also, a lot of businesses relocate or specifically choose to locate in a specific country for reasons other than tax breaks etc. E.g. as I mentioned, geographical data particular to different countries being useful for choosing a place to set up. Like, you're not going to set up a surfing school business online (well, you could but it wouldn't be very hands-on and the teaching would be very limited, only videos and things like that :-/ ) or in, say, Austria. (Again, you possibly could, if there's such a thing as lake surfing but again business would be limited.) I think there's an over-focus on digital / online business nowadays. Yes, it's booming etc but we shouldn't neglect face-to-face and other business models. One of the problems of our time is and will be lack of proximate and physical contact between people. We should avoid exacerbating that.

I think I'll try to build a basic website for this. And if people want to join in, brilliant. I'll link when I have something for ye. Meantime, if anyone else wants to begin, go for it. {1}

[ruta],

When people chat, what people can/should do next? Do people chat until they find the perfect solution to a problem or, chat until someone gets an idea, and then jumps into tasks and tries to implement it?

On the problem page -- yes. However, we should not post arbitrary ideas, just because they remotely seem to solve the problem. Post, when we have a brilliant idea. On the idea page, we should then talk more about the validity of the idea itself rather than search for ideas.

If this idea stays in the comments I and everyone will forget it.

Nothing is forgotten here. :) Maybe we could make tags like [idea-here] for indexing little ideas.

[Mindey], I'm not sure about something in terms of idea/solution stage.

What's the purpose of the system?

User flows:

When people chat, what people can/should do next? Do people chat until they find the perfect solution to a problem or, chat until someone gets an idea, and then jumps into tasks and tries to implement it?

For example, we had a chat with z about the problem "Enabling People to Earn More Money". We discovered that the root problem is a lack of the role models. So, I came up with an idea of a book.

If this idea stays in the comments I and everyone will forget it. I'd like to save it in some ways and try to implement it with people, and see if it makes an impact towards the problem (not necessarily solves the whole problem).