Edited it. Is it more clear? Cheers.

Ideas are meant to be articulated solutions, not raw streams of consciousness, reflections about or personal notes about it...

// [what are the new lists? in transitus and beyond?]

Ideas are not supposed to be questions: please, read the rules.

At the section "my process" you seem to describe something that could be an idea, if it were made into a subject and explained.

Right now, your "idea" looks like an unfinished sequence of thoughts without a hint at what is the key proposition here.

What are you proposing? What is the claim of the idea?

There was a version of Infinity with prizes for "Problems", i.e., each problem working like a fund, where people put incentives. However, technically, each fund is a "company", so, ontologically, it belongs to be a feature of a "project". To realize such feature in proper ontological fashion, would be linking many companies (i.e.., "Projects") to a single problem (just like there are many non-profit organizations working towards a single problem). These "Projects" (orgs) then can work as funds for the problem. However, we already allow to link multiple projects to a single problem (concept/puzzle). This implies, that this feature of funding problems could be realized by adding a type "is fund" to projects, and adding appropriate logic in the level of problems (concepts/puzzle), that allows users to allocate funds to the problem via the projects that are funds for them.

I like the idea of using accounting systems for effects. Use accounting technology to account for effects of causes. We exist in a cause and effect universe. If someone causes someone else's success they should get rewarded for it. So your teachers deserve some thing for what they caused for you.

I like the biblical referencing system. We refer to scripture to acknowledge a fact or justify a behaviour or law.

Each verse is numbered and there are chapters to each book and where there is more than one book we prefix the book number at the beginning.

So a reference looks like 1 Corinthians 13:1-13

Universities research fields have different referencing schemes.

Intellectual property is also a thing. You're arguing we should respect others intellectual property and all things caused by someone.

It occurred to me that I could informally propose a stake or a bounty as a comment. Would you be opposed to this Mindey?

It occurred to me that if I could place a bounty in an infinity puzzle or idea that would encourage people to start projects based on them.

It's practically the same thing except there needs to be some form of information system to collect desired results. Infinity family is kind of that system already as if doesn't define how work should be done.

I also want other people to implement things I've created on infinity family. I don't impose how they should solve the problem only that they produce it. So I want scalable computing to be easy and spread out computation and data storage maybe backed by a CRDT.

Thinking of periodicity of sending signals: probably median orbital period of planets within habitable zones divided by a number between 6 and 12 could be a good start. This is assuming that most technological civilizations will have evolved hand-like limbs, which had from 3 to 6 fingers each, and likely used them as reference base for counting and dividing their year (orbital period) into this number of parts in the reference base.

Already done, already practiced by macromanagers.

// This idea is that people are given an obnoxious number of free variables to define and how they work as long as if satisfies an inferface

How would this "megamanagement" be different from what Wikipedia describes as "macromanagement"?

[chronological], yes, surely, O2oo was inspired by Halfbakery, as well as various other ideas (such as [1]). However, [jutta] didn't like that the name "Halfmakery" is too similar to "Halfbakery".

// We're all influenced by others

Exactly: "I am formed by interaction with others. They create me as I create them." - Rei Ayanami (Neon Genesis Evangelion/NGE) forkability // You only need to look at software engineering cloned apps and websites to see people's attitudes to this.

So, the problem remains -- how to credit properly, so that banking system cares who says what? Should there exist a tag, that lets people on-line associate those who inspired with what they write, in a machine-readable form? Traceable fork-ability and multi-inheritability of everything, so that ideas can "have sex" in more ways? Other things?

You only need to look at software engineering cloned apps and websites to see people's attitudes to this. You would think that people capable of programming would credit. But they will say their app is a clone of something else.

O2oo design seems based on halfbakery. We're all influenced by others

Just wanted to let you know I gave away the computer that was taking the backup so the backups are lost. Sorry.

I might be buying a new computer in the future I'm not sure what God wants me to do with my being.

If someone thinks of thinking as talking, then you can think of thinking as query creation.

You explore a thought and you use the word "as".

So imagine people being networked and communication being links between people. Combine people into a fully linked lattice and you have a resilient communication.

This is an "as" thought - seeing one thing as another thing.

From here we rely on modus ponens, modus tollens and abductive and inductive and deductive reasoning to isolate effects or meaning of our thinking.

People need to get good at query creation to think better.

When I created fact collector I could reason over arbitrary facts using a logic programming language prolog. I created a rule that was if someone I liked doesn't like me then I am to be cautious of them. This rule was represented as

Inference and(likes(sam, X), +(likes(X, sam))).",

Where + means "not".

If you can think of good queries you can think effectively. Generate what if questions. There is an abundance of data that could be used to cause people to be happier live more meaningful purposeful existences

Once a company is set up it doesn't really need owners anymore. You could say that owners take investment away from the company that could grow in scale and size without owners taking profits out the company.

I use the example of a supermarket logistics network. Once the people are all placed and people know what they are doing and doing it, the organisation operates without oversight. The managers don't need to do anything for the shelf stackers to keep stacking shelves and the procurement department to procure products. The owners may well be irrelevant to the success of the operation of the company.

Yet the cashiers still mange the ownership of the owners ownership of products in the store. They could well do their job without owners. They essentially do all the work and get none of the benefits of ownership.

Yes.

Rather than encountering that advert for 3d printed vitamin gummies on Facebook or the 10th crypto investment company or flavoured water bottle flavourer on Facebook you can have people communicate with you what you desire.

So these people need to understand you. They specialise in your wants and needs.

Like procurement specialists in companies?

Think of sales people that represent you rather than the seller.

Ive always wanted a password database that I can change my passwords through.

This comes down to the control side of this puzzle

Linux has DBus for generic interprocess communication and gconf-editor a registry like editor uses Dbus to interrogate available configuration keys.

Page normalisation will be a problem for on screen information. Would need to clean up data before piping to cross referencing systems.

Of course, this needs someone to learn to parse arbitrary page information into reasonably informative tabular form. I had come up with a format, namely, "metaformat" to represent such arbitrary data source ontological normalizations, that could work well to represent a training set for a machine learning task to create such model that does such tabularization automatically. However, without such ML model, we would have to have humans write parsers and ontologically normalize each page, which is prohibitively time-consuming.

I suspect it could all be generated lazily. Each tab provides an API for data access and retrieval which maps to the site and what's on screen. The browser would also provide some namespaces for history and downloads and historical page content.

Would this automatically make view of tables of aggregated data from all the open tabs? I think we do need this, and not just from open tabs, but from entire browsing histories.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I did use FUSE for MetaDrive demo.

// Their primary function is to find things you definitely need or want or like.

Angels the seekers?

Did you use FUSE?

My dream is aggregating information across multiple tab or sites

https://o2oo.li/intent/77001/windowtab-merge#1630758689

Yes yes, and MetaDrive has a prototype of such thing. Each database record can be a file in file manager, with different mouse drop-down options on right-click, and different forms on click. No need for web browser, in most cases.

// Is it like spam filters, but for all ads (not just email messages)?

It's more there are people and software who act as a funnel of things that reach you so yes they do filter but that's not their primary function. Their primary function is to find things you definitely need or want or like.

I see this taking off. Is it like spam filters, but for all ads (not just email messages)?

Additionally, the idea of those agents knowing ranges of products (not all products in all world's comapnies) makes sense as well, as this would prevent from attention agent monopolies.

Is everyone familiar with windows file management Explorer? Or Finder on Mac.

On windows file management is easy. We need a generic object interfacer for databases.

Search, filtering, move, copy, cross reference search by example. We need all these things for every website.

Alright, so the correct event page is: https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/infinity-project-updates-gathering-tickets-312778227097

This idea is that people are given an obnoxious number of free variables to define and how they work as long as if satisfies an inferface

Oh, really! Let me make it public as soon as I'm home.

That link is private it doesn't work for me.

Well, let's try, here's a link to an event I've just created: https://www.eventbrite.com/preview?eid=312778227097/

What do you think? Should we have a different date/time?

Yes, Mindey! Eventbrite is the best at reminders. Having an event page to register also makes it easy to invite others.

Alternative could be a Meetup profile where we host virtual futurists meetups! In cases if many people would join, with Zoom it's easy to bring people into breakout rooms for cozier sharing between 2-3 people.

I think we should do it! It's a great thing to do, and I'm sure we'd have what to share.

Should we have some kind of eventbrite invitation for this? They are good at reminding subscribers :)

I wonder, if people would like to restart oo community calls? terms: all participants would share progress about their projects :)

such method we use with [malü] between ogiziu and Instinto Creador projects for the past month, and it helped us truly to evolve together!

we typically connect for 1 hour on a video call and each of us share:

1) what each of us did last week,

2) what each of us will do next,

3) any obsctales or challenges.

anyone would like to connect in oo community calls this way?

Hey, friends! I have a new project name - OGIZIU (instead of KOKONO). The name change came out from my experiences this winter, balancing the darkness with the light and a concept I'm working on about the black holes (to be shared).

ogiziu means "wow, see!" in Lithuanian, used in moments of a surprise, awe, when something is observed, understood. in fact, it's a short sentence of 2 words: "ogi" is a pause moment and "ziu" is an understanding moment. when you pronounce it, it works like a breath!

I share the details and progress with this project on Miro.

My friend neuroscientist once said that personality changes based on environment :)

Although in the past 10 years I did 16P test and in both I came out as an ENFP. (I lived in a super social culture back then though - Ireland!)

RE collaborations, I think it's not just a personality match but more so - interests during a specific time: who is working on similar things right now and how people can help each others specifically.

Your comment of tass or the wind of time revealing new information or data underneath or behind the present reminds me of the problem of the arrow of time. It moves in one direction.

Personally I think retrocausality is true. Effects cause their causes. This is how God could resolve many problems and cause his will.

Mindey I recommend taking the sakinorva test and checking the certainty table on the analyse results button. You wilt need to check the MTBI functional stack of INTJ and INTP

https://forum.stellarmaze.com/uploads/db8680/original/2X/1/11de19c7f05a3d22883ac7121072b45db35bb6bf.png

The last letter changes but changes the entire functional stack of the MTBI type.

Ni-Te-Fi-Se or TI-Ne-Si-Fe

Also see this diagram Mindey https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d0/c4/07/d0c40709ebf443b6cb89c4f10b0b72a8--mbti-personality-personality-psychology.jpg

Dominant function: Introverted intuition. INTJs are introverted by nature. ... Auxiliary function: Extroverted thinking. INTJs are great thinkers, planners, and analysts. ... Tertiary function: Introverted feeling. INTJs are often mistaken as being cold and emotionless. ... Inferior function: Extroverted sensing

INTP Functional Stack

Dominant Function: Introverted Thinking (Ti) Auxiliary Function: Extraverted Intuition (Ne) Tertiary Function: Introverted Sensing (Si) Inferior Function: Extraverted Feeling (Fe)

Ok. Well, I'm more of an INTJ, tested multiple times, 3 out of 4 times I was INTJ, and once INTP.

Good problem and a question. I'd say, because humanity seem to value universality (liquidity, as a form of freedom to exchange anything to anything) more than love... or at least, universality of exchange has proven to more pragmatically usefully than love per se.

That said, I was also searching for a unit that accounts for love, and what I found is "time-well-spent" as currency, that anyone can mine through doing it (by spending time well, and registering that via some information system made to mine such "hours-well-spent as currency")... At least that's what I thought could be a rational basis for Infinity economy.

What I feel you're getting at is the problem of representing meaning in a computer system.

People naturally use language grammars such as English or Lithuanian to express rules.

How should the van driver on the motorway be communicated with that he needs to do a check of something when he arrives at the customer location? Or that the government employee needs to check something on another subsystem before advancing the case.

Companies typically use memorandums, emails and operational manuals for this sort of thing. And use digital learning platforms for this. All expressed in your native language.

I think if business processes were completely digitised and replaced by information forms and super flexible workflow engines then the need for natural language would go away. But then you are left with a problem when the computer isn't as flexible as a person or customer or employee would want.

It's easy to say that all you need to satisfy any constraints, is to twist coordinate system. It's hard to use all ontologies and possible constructs (ontological geometric primitives and complexes) to link it all up to such system. It requires solving human and machine language representation and interpretation first.

Did you ever get serviced by a company and the company's own representative didn't know of the company's own policy on the situation.

People twist should cause that to be impossible.

Or if you've ever dealt with the government and getting problems resolved. Refunds or tax sorted out it's a pain. Nobody is on the same page when you phone.

Well, thinking this way may open up a lot of social possibilities. However, to run such queries, a bunch of intermediary things would have to be developed (I guess: the intelligence community may already enjoy a finished product for this kind of tool.)

Yes. A query is used to insert points and relationships in between existing points and links between points and positions.

Imagine being capable of creating a company that simply uses other products and services of other companies and people twists them into position so they are all married up together on the same page.

Business could get supremely complicated and advanced.

So, a running query is a projecting to hyperplane for the corresponding question of concern?