// So, if I apply this thinking for creating a system, then I need to create must-have relationships because they make up a system? And that is my system prototype?

Based on the lean methodology, that would be indeed so. And that means, people-research. Who are those particular people to create relationships with for it to work.

// And how do i know which relationships are must haves?

Thinking of community as a product, is a bit like thinking of a fish tank, yeah, what kind of fish does it need? Probably will depend, ultimately, on what type of fish tank we want to have to live within.

In lean startups there is an approach called MVP (minimum viable product) which means creating must-have features based on the vision in order to get feedback from the real world fast.

So, if I apply this thinking for creating a system, then I need to create must-have relationships because they make up a system? And that is my system prototype?

For example, a fish tank as a system needs a fish but also bacterias that eat fish poo, and plants that a fish eats to produce poo! Now, how does this apply to business?

And how do i know which relationships are must haves?

Of course, there will be comments saying, that people should have to consent to their data, using OAuth, or cryptography and tokenomic decentralized computing with permissioning. I'm of course aware of these methods, and it would be great if hospitals managed their data in those standard ways. However, there are certain consents that people do through giving rights to governments in exchange for social value, because it's more efficient than asking for consents on a case-by-case basis.

What this idea is proposing, is that such medical research is one of such cases, because aging and death is the common enemy of us all -- we could quickly discover patterns of and best treatment strategies by systematically and massively cooperating for this by default. The risk perhaps should be estimated as the cost of extra loss of some privacy to the gain in treated diseases and life years of people survived longer as a result.

This definitely needs to be prepared for. Enough of not preparing for a pandemic.

It is noteworthy, that, while the telecommunications technology is a communication rather than computation technology, it not only empowers humans to communicate and decide together, but also machines.

Things like keyboards, hand tracking devices, and ultimately BCIs on the other hand are empowering only humans to communicate.

This distinction may be important to note, when prioritizing the technologies to focus on.

Isn't there such a thing already, e.g. in the U.K., we have some standardization of salaries for different education levels, specialties and roles. I'll have to look up for the legal documents, but quick search returns payscale.com.

So, while this may be known, do you have more specifics, of what should be the pay distributions? And, btw., how would we deal with the reality, that different circumstances make people value things differently. For example, a surgery may have a huge (life-or-death) value to people, and yet, the social benefits systems working like insurance achieve the reasonable or zero prices on those events.

And, it's a bit like a sub-goal, rather than a method?

So, if I'm wondering how do these factors generalize. What would be the equivalents for a more primitive type of life, like, say, a mosquito?

1. Meaning: self-expression (fertilization for males, laying eggs for females).
2. Health: overall functioning.
3. Relationships: with another mosquito(s) for fertility, and with a blood donor(s).
4. Finance: exchange of sperm for probability increase of progeny?
5. Experiences: fertilization, feeding, laying eggs, drinking water, nectar.

Apparently, finance is a kind of social reciprocal phenomenon, where strategic exchange happens: one gives to another in exchange for something else of existential value. In such primitive cases like that of mosquito, there's no developed financial system, but it is still possible identify where strategic social exchange happens.

In more communal species with distributions of roles, these exchanges probably are more evolved. For example, one could attribute financial nature to the fact that bee drones may be getting "free" honey in exchange for increasing the genetic diversity for progeny.

It doesn't mean though, that financial system is necessarily a sign of higher intelligence, for example, lower order life, like the cells making up our organs, are entirely a result of a kind of financial system driven by blood or ATP and other molecules as a form of currency.

It looks like the Nimb rings are very close from usability standpoint, and Beurer PO60 looks very close from functionality point of view. Would be interesting to see, what could be achieved collectively.

And, here's a video on basic usage.

A few worthwhile comments, from HB:

[beanangel]: It is a fun way to look at things, but I am confused. What if you make two of the entropy balls at a distance to the other making a gravityless laGrange point? That would seem to be a place to store data absent entropy. The thing is, that locating something between two entropy sources does not seem like it would preserve data. One possibility is that if the balls were constructed one bit out of synchronization with each other and then when a bit was pulled from 1 to 0 by one of the balls, the other ball would push it from 0 to 1. The thing is though then they wouldn't be entropy balls and it might only work on things that were 1 bit big, or however many bits fit on a surface between the two balls.

[2 fries shy of a happy meal]: So... if I've got this straight, (no bets on that mind you), given the many worlds interpretation every 'instant' of every possibility is a slide in an infinite slide show and so it should be possible to... encapsulate information in entropy-less bubbles to escape being lost to the flow of time?

Is that right?

[Mindey]: I suppose so, and these entropy-less bubbles might be the laGrange points between the universes in orbit around each others.

So, whatever information source actually can be thought of entropy source, following a certain probability distribution, and it's attraction may be thought of a "distributional drag" (any information source within the influence range of another information source may be affect to drag to acquire the pattern of that other source, similar to how acculturation happens in social circumstances).

The LaGrange points may exist, when there is pseudo-random pattern interferences, or a stable pattern-engendering probability-distributional drags. (So that what one distribution tends to always take, another distribution tends to always give, and so we could have a stable boundary pattern between them, larger than 1 bit.)

LMC is probably too near, and thus may be considered dangerous to message to.

And,... if we send the most useful information for survival of information, would we call this -- intergalactic love, as there actually may be a common goal of preserving information. Additionally, if we do start think together as a civilization, what to send to the future civilizations, it may help us as a civilization politically.

Well, the idea is something like that. Well, we could choose a set of closest galaxies to do that.

Btw., assuming that each protocol is defined by the application itself, and protocols are simply the patterns of certain common applications (think, aMule and ed2k://, Telegram and tg://, etc.), and considering the general trend of browser running WebAssembly, that will allow to run any applications on web browser, those applications could naturally become supported in browser windows.

This is ok, but that means making browser more heavy as a client in general, and I'm not sure if this is what we want. Another, is through building clients to support browsing resources all of those protocols, as a "browser" plugin.

So I wonder: isn't the field of "operations research" - subconsciously already trying to apply math to finding such x-es? I wonder, how does the field formally define its problem domain...

Now, I'm thinking, that the /products section of 0oo could work a bit like CraigList, but supporting people's own payment methods, or tokens of approval of payments.

This exists as scaling fees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliding_scale_fees

You card is linked to your identity and your identity is linked to your tax account.

Prices can be scaled to a maximum cost.

Would be good, but people do have multiple debit cards, and may have secret pockets. What is the force to make all information about your finances summed up?

This idea is more that your debit card decides how much you pay when you go to buy your coffee.

Usually, businesses want to charge the clients as much as possible, so, the knowledge of the buyer's purchasing power, is what every business is actively seeks to know.

Also, every business tries to maximize sales, even at a lower price. So, something like this already happens naturally, when companies choose to export the surplus of their production to countries with lower income levels.

There is something more to consider. Today, we have companies deep-learning specific models to answer specific questions. For example, identity and face recognition models, weather models, etc., and these specific models are being used as a resource by integrative decision systems to make decisions.

So, just like we had layers of abstraction while building network protocols one upon another (e.g., layers in OSI model), we could actually have standards for deep-learned models, build social AI from ground up, combining multiple standardized AI models.

Having versioned and standardized machine-learned models would allow us to work on specifying the qualities and blind-spots of these models, and take actions to confidently version, incrementally improve, and use them in derived applications.

For example, imagine that definition of a concept "Manga" is defined not by a dictionary, but by an ANN, like Manga GAN, and becomes something like an ISO standard model of what "Manga" looks like. Many AI systems are already versioned, like, for example Google Translate, and the properties of them are known. So, think of many concepts and complex phenomena that we build AI models of, and standardize.

Perhaps this comment merits a separate post, of an idea of ISO standardization for AI models.

Right. I'm waiting for the numbers. Perhaps public services sector statistics could tell, cause I'm not so sure, how many people would fall into these categories today, say, in the UK I presume.

Do you mean deus ex machina rather than occam's razor?

When I get around to it, I'll add up the number of supermarket workers, nurses, doctors and other vocations that I consider to be essential for society that are underpaid. And divide that billion by that number of people. And delivery drivers. It would be every year.

It's a reward for being essential to society.

// Government sets aside a billion pounds from general taxation to pay for these essential workers, to invest in the common folk and boost their income. //

So as simple as that -- Occam's razor, just set aside. Alright, but would one billion be enough, and for what period of time? What's the math of it?

I.e., how sustainable is it. Also, while calling it "Social credit system" -- we'd expect some more explanation, of the current level of incomes and the expected high level of incomes, with such system in place.

// How do we increase salaries while preserving low labour costs?

Asking for a solution to mutually dependent variables with inverse relationship. A tall order. But, we do want it, so, I'm very curious what ideas can address that.

Those who have cars and good mobile internet access may have not noticed the problem, but for those, who are on a bike or on feet, finding a silent and private place to work is a problem: most cafes are not silent, and not private, not really suitable for work. Rentable offices are not abundant and ubiquitous. So, I see the problem.

However, to make such "work stops" ubiquitous, you'd need to seed a large number of them, across country, and you risk that still, people will bump into times, when locating one is an issue. How many such stops would we need? So, not sure if this would be a real solution.

Would any of the concept cars (like this Mercedes), with "summon on demand" function, -- be able to replace such work stops? Or, what about noise-cancellation devices, like noise-cancelling earphones and noise-cancelling speaker (like hushme), and a privacy screen (like this one, using polarized glasses), allowing to convert any cafe with a good table into a silent one, suitable for work?

As for the extension of libraries, I'd like to share experience -- in Japan, it is normal to study a lot, and university libraries don't close at night, so you can enter a library at any time. In addition, in Japan, the Manga Cafes (see link below your post) are common, and provide pretty much what you're describing. So, it's invented, just not popular in the West. Duh, it makes me want to go back to Japan...

// how would these centers be run? //

on a non-profit model where a local team is responsible to look after the building, monitor a public calendar, invite locals with specific interest to specific workshops.

it would require: a google calendar, a public trello board, 3 volunteers per space.

to scale such tiny cultural spaces across locations, a google doc will explain how to use a google calendar (for events), trello (for events plan) and how to communicate nicely with local gov/businesses to access abandoned buildings where a cultural centre is run from.

// if local manufacturers could come, and present their resources, and allow people innovate regarding new products //

YES, that would be amazing! boosting local economies that starts with an informal workshop.

// How they are different from hackerspaces? //

hackerspaces are for "hackers" - it's in the name. but creative expression is so much more than one discipline.

add a variety of arts, design, business, tech, science, and you have a more inclusive space where every participant can boost their creativity faster and discover the worlds they did not think existed, because local business owners never went to hackerspaces, and artists never went to labs.

// pooling resources is more about resources -- machines, materials, people -- that are available in locations //

yes, and often people don't meet locally, they drive/fly to other locations to "network"

// How would these recommendations be generated? //

everything I post on this social network, I tag with a label (like a I choose a category for each blog on my site).

e.g. if I post about "an idea of a digital diary", I tag it with "note taking". if I post about "an idea of a garden office", I tag it with "work from home" and "architecture". and so on.

this way, people who are interested in same topics discover me.

side thought: people will need to be introduced to a good practice of labelling their posts when starting to use the app, so that they get good recommendations and attract the right followers.

// a social net, for prototyping? //

yes, making social networking more meaningful. people follow others on Twitter, Instagram, etc for a purpose of "consuming information" and often not doing anything about it.

but true learning comes when doing something with that information. and true connection is made when collaborating with a follower on a project. so, this would be a place to get to know people closer by prototyping things.

also, typically, people get into a project stage after months/years of meeting online, but tech could speed up "a process of let's get to know each other by creating together".

Categories are supposed to work this way -- i.e., if you have some "Quora-like question" -- it's a category.

You may ask, how is category -- a question? Categories are questions to retrieve all items in category. For example, category: "Nanotechnology" in form of question would be "What items do we have about Nanotechnology?"

I think, we should review the old video about infty.xyz, and pick some ideas from there.

0oo UI should encourage people to "move from thought to action". for me, personally, it would be cool to have a section "Chaos" before "Categories" which would allow a Feedback Seeker to post random questions/ideas (like on Quora but more for research questions), and 0oo community would reply with comments. as a result, a Feedback Seeker would synthesise thoughts and later rephrase a crappy question into the one that fits categories. because synthesis happens when people are thinking together.

Today's Hive Mind reminded me this idea.

// People use this app to get inspired from diverse pool of strangers, publish inspirations (photos of personal notes and clips of other website's text/images) [...] in public boards [...]

Sounds like network of personal boards. So, profiles. It's what social nets had since early days, but they didn't focus on prototyping. So, would this be, in principle, a social net, for prototyping?

// [...] I get content recommendations. [...]

How would these recommendations be generated? Being that recommendations are essential part of the success of social web service providers, even Google, YouTube, etc., the quality of recommendations is the reason why something succeeds or not. For example, Peter Diamandis had recently launched FutureLoop, which does essentially nothing but recommend news. The recommendation engine may be essential, but without specifying how it would do those recommendations, it may be hard to judge how would this network evolve / succeed.

Examples of solutions to this problem could be found in nature, i.e., how a beehive responds to an intruder wasp, vs., how mosquitoes do not seem to respond collectively, each acting as an independent actor. An ant-hill may be something between a mosquito and a beehive, in that every ant acts with its own freedom, in fulfilling some social role, that it takes as part of differentiation, similar to sexual differentiation, and respond to intruders a bit like the immune system responds to pathogens -- signaling to certain type of agents (warrior ants, or T-cells, and we find people in our current societies that roles -- doctors, policemen, etc.) to engage with certain type of threats.

What's interesting, is that all these systems rely on certain type of recognizers, and signaling. An ant recognizes signals like pheromones, while in our society, we may be recognizing different kind of signals. I'd think part of the solution lies in developing an alphabet for social signals, and innovating around social roles. For example, we may need a signal (or a symbol) and a recognizer of emergent exponential growths.

The particular ideas of such symbol sets and signaling patterns may be interesting, and be suggested as ideas.